Nismo Header possibility and B-pipes
Okay guys, here is the scoop. I took my Nismo headers down to a guy, who at this point will remain nameless, unless I can gauge enough interest in this. This is NOT at this point a done deal, there are a few issues that have to be overcome yet for this to happen. I don't have the exact measurements of things, I just let him do his CAD thing. It appears first of all, that the Nismo headers are not exactly a true length primary header, yes, they are far closer than the others on the market, but indeed are not a TRUE primary equal length header. Couple of problems encountered with this during the CAD process and his equipment limitations. First item is he is confident he can make them, albeit with a few smaller changes in the design. It might be possible for him to make the primaries closer to equal length, but remember, he has a full time shop, and this doesn't get the full priority. The collectors will go from 2.25 to 2.50. He feels he can make the b-pipes too, but some cat research and such will have to be done. I have a set of ????'? as you all know, so have the measurements for those also. Trying to get this as economical as possible, yet make as close to original as possible too with maybe a few enhancements to help them. First things first, they will be stainless, both headers and b-pipes. Problem is the manufacturing, he doesn't have the proper die for the pipe diameter for the primaries, and that die is not cheap, it is 4K. It is true, I saw the paperwork for the cost of it. He doesn't have that, so in order really to proceed, at this point in time I am gauging interest in these for him to see if he can make a set, but they will be around the $850 range, the headers. I understand his situation, he is not a big shop, but he does have a Titan, so we have a test vehicle for the fit/finish deal. He also has a mandrel bender, but does not have that size die, expensive item. He also has a Mustang dyno, so there can be performance gains calculated. He is also and Uprev tuner, so as you see we have a bunch of things in line. So really at this point in time, I am just gauging the interest as to who would want a set of these. I know this has been tried before, and fell through, and this may too if not enough are seriously interested in this project. Next item on the agenda, I make nothing off of this, nothing from him, well yeah there was, I wanted a windshield sticker for mine, but honestly that was it. So we have an initial proven design and he has the majority of the CAD done on the headers, b-pipes don't take long, but have to research the economics of it. He has to find cats and such to make them affordable and performance oriented enough to do. I know there are other guys that make b-pipes out there too, and this is not to take away from them, they are doing a great job, but some of the premier b-pipe vendors honestly have priced us out now. As I see it right now there is only one guy making these in our price range, I won't mention names but he knows who he is. The b-pipe thing may not happen and may, first things first is the headers, b-pipes are the easy part really as I see it. Now I have also seen this turn into we have no clue what the people are that are interested or not and how many, so I ask of one thing. PM your handle to me so that I can keep track of how many, that way no one copies a post that missed someones name and such. I need a reasonably accurate account now of who is SERIOUSLY interested, but remember, still a development phase as of right now to gauge the interest. He has had mine for the last couple of weeks to get the measurements, and he is now formulating what he needs to build the jig to make the first set. He has a set of flanges that will be here next week to validate the cad dimensions for those. So hopefully this will proceed, if not enough interest is there, I am sure he will find out a way to make a set for himself since he has a cracked manifold anyhow. Everyone knows it can't be a major labor intensive effort to make these as production units or we are back in the same boat with prices un-affordable. So read this again carefully, put some thought into it, and PM me if you want to be on a list that is serious about this. If you change your mind, please be considerate enough to let me know also so that I don't have erroneous numbers too. Thanks guys and hope we can make this happen for those that want another alternative. Sorry I forgot the teaser to this, so I had to edit and attach some images. These will be merge collectors also as you can see from the CAD, just missing the flange addition and the collector flange on the CAD part and yes you would have flanges and NO welding. You can see the seams on these and see that they are labor intensive to make so keep that in mind with the approximate price, and that came from him, not me on the price. I simply let him use mine for CAD work, and again, I make nothing off this. One other thing, let me know just headers, just b-pipes, or both, I will keep track of both, and only post on one site please, that way I don't have to find the duplicates. I know many already have b-pipes to work with and just want headers.
Okay guys, here is the scoop. I took my Nismo headers down to a guy, who at this point will remain nameless, unless I can gauge enough interest in this. This is NOT at this point a done deal, there are a few issues that have to be overcome yet for this to happen. I don't have the exact measurements of things, I just let him do his CAD thing. It appears first of all, that the Nismo headers are not exactly a true length primary header, yes, they are far closer than the others on the market, but indeed are not a TRUE primary equal length header. Couple of problems encountered with this during the CAD process and his equipment limitations. First item is he is confident he can make them, albeit with a few smaller changes in the design. It might be possible for him to make the primaries closer to equal length, but remember, he has a full time shop, and this doesn't get the full priority. The collectors will go from 2.25 to 2.50. He feels he can make the b-pipes too, but some cat research and such will have to be done. I have a set of ????'? as you all know, so have the measurements for those also. Trying to get this as economical as possible, yet make as close to original as possible too with maybe a few enhancements to help them. First things first, they will be stainless, both headers and b-pipes. Problem is the manufacturing, he doesn't have the proper die for the pipe diameter for the primaries, and that die is not cheap, it is 4K. It is true, I saw the paperwork for the cost of it. He doesn't have that, so in order really to proceed, at this point in time I am gauging interest in these for him to see if he can make a set, but they will be around the $850 range, the headers. I understand his situation, he is not a big shop, but he does have a Titan, so we have a test vehicle for the fit/finish deal. He also has a mandrel bender, but does not have that size die, expensive item. He also has a Mustang dyno, so there can be performance gains calculated. He is also and Uprev tuner, so as you see we have a bunch of things in line. So really at this point in time, I am just gauging the interest as to who would want a set of these. I know this has been tried before, and fell through, and this may too if not enough are seriously interested in this project. Next item on the agenda, I make nothing off of this, nothing from him, well yeah there was, I wanted a windshield sticker for mine, but honestly that was it. So we have an initial proven design and he has the majority of the CAD done on the headers, b-pipes don't take long, but have to research the economics of it. He has to find cats and such to make them affordable and performance oriented enough to do. I know there are other guys that make b-pipes out there too, and this is not to take away from them, they are doing a great job, but some of the premier b-pipe vendors honestly have priced us out now. As I see it right now there is only one guy making these in our price range, I won't mention names but he knows who he is. The b-pipe thing may not happen and may, first things first is the headers, b-pipes are the easy part really as I see it. Now I have also seen this turn into we have no clue what the people are that are interested or not and how many, so I ask of one thing. PM your handle to me so that I can keep track of how many, that way no one copies a post that missed someones name and such. I need a reasonably accurate account now of who is SERIOUSLY interested, but remember, still a development phase as of right now to gauge the interest. He has had mine for the last couple of weeks to get the measurements, and he is now formulating what he needs to build the jig to make the first set. He has a set of flanges that will be here next week to validate the cad dimensions for those. So hopefully this will proceed, if not enough interest is there, I am sure he will find out a way to make a set for himself since he has a cracked manifold anyhow. Everyone knows it can't be a major labor intensive effort to make these as production units or we are back in the same boat with prices un-affordable. So read this again carefully, put some thought into it, and PM me if you want to be on a list that is serious about this. If you change your mind, please be considerate enough to let me know also so that I don't have erroneous numbers too. Thanks guys and hope we can make this happen for those that want another alternative. Sorry I forgot the teaser to this, so I had to edit and attach some images. These will be merge collectors also as you can see from the CAD, just missing the flange addition and the collector flange on the CAD part and yes you would have flanges and NO welding. You can see the seams on these and see that they are labor intensive to make so keep that in mind with the approximate price, and that came from him, not me on the price. I simply let him use mine for CAD work, and again, I make nothing off this. One other thing, let me know just headers, just b-pipes, or both, I will keep track of both, and only post on one site please, that way I don't have to find the duplicates. I know many already have b-pipes to work with and just want headers.
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