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#21 ·
I haven't really looked that carefully under the back of my truck. But, how much frame cutting did you have to do to accomplish this? Or is the factory frame just added on to?
 
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#22 ·
ok a couple answers;
-yes that price includes either spring. as of now we havent seen the under axle spring on the titans yet, but its in the process and as soon as pictures are available we'll have all the info up on either website, NCD or Boneyardfab.
-There is alot of frame cutting, we removed the factory bumpstop mounts, shock mounts, spare tire crossmember, and shackle mounts.
If you have any further questions feel free to contact myself or gary at NCD we'd be more than happy to answer them.
Justin Gajefski @ Boneyard Fabrication
 
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boneyard said:
ok a couple answers;
-yes that price includes either spring. as of now we havent seen the under axle spring on the titans yet, but its in the process and as soon as pictures are available we'll have all the info up on either website, NCD or Boneyardfab.
-There is alot of frame cutting, we removed the factory bumpstop mounts, shock mounts, spare tire crossmember, and shackle mounts.
If you have any further questions feel free to contact myself or gary at NCD we'd be more than happy to answer them.
Justin Gajefski @ Boneyard Fabrication
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But the actual frame, was it cut or modified? I don't care about mounts, I will most likely have to lose my front coil buckets among other things in the front.
 
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Kartman is like the anti-christ of NCD. He searches for any thread that is positive publicity for their products and then chirps in with his worthless 2 cents. If you don't like their stuff, DON'T BUY IT, but SHUT THE F***K UP.
 
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VTECLESS said:
Kartman is like the anti-christ of NCD. He searches for any thread that is positive publicity for their products and then chirps in with his worthless 2 cents. If you don't like their stuff, DON'T BUT IT, but SHUT THE F***K UP.
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Kartman is a well respected long-time member of Titan Talk. I for one appreciate that he is knowledgeable enough about suspensions to ask the tough questions. Most likely he feels a moral obligation to protect those less knowledgeable than himself from making bad choices, that is what this forum is all about. So your comment below is way out of line.

VTECLESS said:
... If you don't like their stuff, DON'T BUT IT, but SHUT THE F***K UP.
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If he feels that the cost performance ratio of an NCD offering is not there, or in this case, simply asked for clarification on what is included, then the NCD and Boneyard Fabrication people, should not have an issue with discussing this. Why do you?

This is a forum for discussion not a free advertisement for NCD and Boneyard Fab. It is especially strange to expect no comments or rebuttals to their claims.

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nut or boneyard,

I also would like to know the answers to the questions Kartman asked:

Kartman said:
Again does the price include shocks and bumps on the rear?

How about those pics of the front cycleing 16?
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VTECLESS said:
Kartman is like the anti-christ of NCD. He searches for any thread that is positive publicity for their products and then chirps in with his worthless 2 cents. If you don't like their stuff, DON'T BUT IT, but SHUT THE F***K UP.
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I too am one that has alot of respect for Kartman and this statement is WAY out of line IMHO. Kartman and I have had our dissagreements but a dissagreement should never lead to statements such as yours. I hope you see this and apoligize sooner than later.
 
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swarren1 said:
This is a forum for discussion not a free advertisement for NCD and Boneyard Fab. It is especially strange to expect no comments or rebuttals to their claims.

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that is why i brought this thread up i wanted to get more info
and what people think of this set up !!
i think all kartman is doing is expressing his opinion (.2 cents)
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VTECLESS said:
Kartman is like the anti-christ of NCD. He searches for any thread that is positive publicity for their products and then chirps in with his worthless 2 cents. If you don't like their stuff, DON'T BUT IT, but SHUT THE F***K UP.
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Quoted from Fourm Rules # 3 Rules Link

3. Keep personal attacks to a minimum. This means once, you'll get a warning...again and your gone. There is a difference between debate and the full onslaught of a member. Yes, it is a judgement call by the mods, but I assure everyone that the posts concerned are reviewed by all of us and we all must agree on the disposition of the posts (If time allows - If not it will be locked or closed until such time). A good heated debate has no issues, its only when things get very specific between a few members that someone or all will get a warning or a posting in the thread asking them to tone it down a bit. If they refuse to adhere to the warning they may be banned.
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#30 ·
I agree. Kartman has answered some of my questions regarding suspension setup very quickly, and he did so without attacking me. Maybe his questions within the forum sound blunt, or maybe he comes off as brash, or negative, but how many people do you know who say what they feel? That in and of itself deserves respect. additionally, i'm sure you've seen at least one of his videos pushing his titan off-road, so i'm sure that he's seen the capability of what the titan can do off-road (along with Greg). Besides, i've heard others say the exact same thing that kartman's saying-NCD kits aren't exactly cheap, and i've heard from others that NCD doesn't perform given its price. In asking hard questions, he's also allowing NCD to defend their product-the end result is answers for people like you, me or anyone who aren't as knowledgable in suspension workings.

In no way am I bashing NCD, because i am far from an expert. But if someone out there is producing a suspension that costs as much as 4300, someone has a right to nit-pick and ask tough questions...just like anyone has the right to defend NCD. I just know that if there's a product out there for 4300 (or even 1000) that doesnt perform, i'm not going to put it on my truck.
 
#31 ·
Maybe you guys have not seen some of the other posts by Kartman, in regards to NCD. There is a post on the 2.5" leveling kit where he calls it a carbon copy of PRG and still says that the quality is lacking. How can it be a carbon copy and not be as good? He has made personal comments towards me in the past and I stand by my statement. If Kartman doesn't like NCD's products he doesn't have to buy them, but there are PLENTY of tt members who believe in their products and I am one of them. I'm not going to sit here and let him talk S***, just as he wouldn't if it were about PRG. REALITY CHECK BOYS...... Other products exist that are more superior! That's not an attack on Greg, it's the truth. If you don't want to hear the truth don't join a forum. Kartman has it out for NCD. Maybe it's because he really wants to buy their products, but he's afraid of what Greg might think. It's no secret that they are good buddies. Kartman is a liability, I wouldn't let this guy promote anything of mine. You don't make your products look better by attacking someone elses. That is a tell all sign of insecurity!!
 
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#32 ·
VTECLESS said:
Maybe you guys have not seen some of the other posts by Kartman, in regards to NCD. There is a post on the 2.5" leveling kit where he calls it a carbon copy of PRG and still says that the quality is lacking. How can it be a carbon copy and not be as good? He has made personal comments towards me in the past and I stand by my statement. If Kartman doesn't like NCD's products he doesn't have to buy them, but there are PLENTY of tt members who believe in their products and I am one of them. I'm not going to sit here and let him talk S***, just as he wouldn't if it were about PRG. REALITY CHECK BOYS...... Other products exist that are more superior! That's not an attack on Greg, it's the truth. If you don't want to hear the truth don't join a forum. Kartman has it out for NCD. Maybe it's because he really wants to buy their products, but he's afraid of what Greg might think. It's no secret that they are good buddies. Kartman is a liability, I wouldn't let this guy promote anything of mine. You don't make your products look better by attacking someone elses. That is a tell all sign of insecurity!!
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Just remember Vtech that you standing by this statement isnt defending NCD it is deffending a personal attack on a fellow member which is clearly aginst the rules here regardless of what brand you follow. Kartman has never attacked another that I know of and all the products he likes he has used with good results. Just like I would say Zoomers is the best exhaust! Its still my opinion. He had some good questions here and you still choose to attack him and stand by the unwarranted attack.
 
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#33 ·
Its easy really. If Kartman is too far out of line the masses will know it, and they will pull away from him. The fact that Kartman has support from his fellow TitanTalk members proves he has valid questions. And one of the reasons he is being backed is because his question regarging the kits deficiencies don't get answered. It makes it look like NCD is hiding the facts. You want to shut Kartman up? Then prove him wrong.
 
#34 ·
With all do respect to those who read this post, I have personally never tested any of the PRG products. That is why you have never heard me bash them Likewise, Kartman has never tried any of NCD's products. Why would he question every aspect of their line if he has never heard of or seen them fail? This isn't Pepboys we're talking about!
I challenge anyone of you to purchase an NCD product and have it fail, until then I think Kartman should take a back seat on the skeptic bus.
 
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VTECLESS said:
There is a post on the 2.5" leveling kit where he calls it a carbon copy of PRG and still says that the quality is lacking.
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Show me the quote please, thats right you cant, because I did not say it. I would appreciate it if you stop trying to put words in my mouth, its tiresome.
 
#36 ·
Originally Posted by Kartman
Again does the price include shocks and bumps on the rear?

How about those pics of the front cycleing 16?

-No, the price does not include shocks or bumps. There are too many options for shocks/ bumps for us to be able set a tag on the kit with shocks and bumps.

-And next time i do an install or break the front of Kyles truck down i would be more than happy to take pictures of the front cycling and post them up for you.
 
#37 ·
I have to say, I have indeed seen many of Kartman's responses on this forum. And some have made me shake my head, yes. But he has and always does tell it like it is. And it is also true that without questions, and good ones pertinent to establishing the difference between products that are worth the hard-earned cash we would spend on them and ones that don't deliver what they advertise, need to be asked. I personally have no experience with either lift setup but others do and their findings can and will influence others on this board. I have nothing against NCD nor do I favor PRG. I am just reading and learning, like many on here. That makes the questions no less pertinent to the discovery of the facts. And it's not about buying all the different products to personally test them. That's not only insane on a personal vehicle, but VERY inefficient. Not to mention a waste of money. What exactly is wrong with asking questions to discover if what you have indeed purchased is what you should stay with? Who's to say that if NCD answers the questions and Kartman, or anyone else, determines them to have superior components, that's what they buy and install. It's called research. Not brand bashing.
 
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boneyard said:
Originally Posted by Kartman
Again does the price include shocks and bumps on the rear?

How about those pics of the front cycleing 16?

-No, the price does not include shocks or bumps. There are too many options for shocks/ bumps for us to be able set a tag on the kit with shocks and bumps.

-And next time i do an install or break the front of Kyles truck down i would be more than happy to take pictures of the front cycling and post them up for you.
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Cool, thanks for the information.
 
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VTEC,
This is said with all respect, but if you truly believe in NCD's product, there is no need to attack a fellow board member. As another stated above me, it isn't possible to test and install every single suspension and/or component on one's truck. A lot of the members on this board that have the most respect tend to put their trucks through more trial and error than the average driver. This in turn gives them more knowledge as to what works and what doesn't...and also gives them more of a foundation to ask tough questions. He's simply addressing some of the concerns that have floated around in regards to NCD. It may be done so in a blunt and/or brash manner, but i know that he's addressed some of my concerns. I am skeptical of NCD's product, but not because i favor PRG or the like, but if i am going to spend money on a suspension upgrade, i'd like hard questions to be both asked and answered. My money is always going to be on the ones who are willing to ask and answer tough questions.
Also, i did read the thread on NCD's 2.5" leveling kit, and if i recall, somewhere within the thread, someone attacked PRG first, stating that NCD is a bigger company with more R&D, to which a reply was stated that it doesn't take too much effort to copy an existing product. The same person who made the statement about NCD being a bigger company also went on to rag on PRG's LT kit. However, many of the responses were based on concerns many have, not because "A is better than B".

not to get off topic, but blackbeauty, your avatar is mesmerizing...i was staring at her shake her hips for so long, your post didn't make sense to me...hahahahaah. 5 minutes later, it made sense...now back to her hips....
 
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